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Post by rams on Sept 6, 2008 14:12:16 GMT -5
Current ground breaking research that we are all doing from the Inka Empire demographics to the Mayan redoubt of grandeur, is revealing that all of that which is and was surmised, is wrong, regarding what was...........and where we have become.
Watch at behold for a beginning trieste to this amazing revelation of wonder.
Behold the Gold.
1491
RAMS
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Sept 6, 2008 14:31:42 GMT -5
I for one am always interested in subjects relating to pre-Colombian times.
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Post by Shadout Mapes on Sept 7, 2008 9:37:00 GMT -5
Well let's see them science giants then! ><Tomasina ChicaWolverina!
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Post by rams on Sept 7, 2008 18:48:51 GMT -5
1. Preamble:
Strangely, the first notion by nearly 100% of the American populace today is that before Columbus the Americas were an unpopulated landscape, filled with primitive peoples of few in number, wandering the wilderness in some nirvana like inclusive harmony with Gaia, hunters and gatherers, and never a hint of anything that would suggest civilization.
The truth is that any group of people, to become anything remotely a civilization, must come to a place to see one of two things: recognize "0", and, to establish value. From these, a civilization develops rapidly and all that that entails.
Then, the truth of MesoAmerica, at the time of Columbus, were 3 main advanced civilizations, all decades and centuries ahead of Europe at the time, and triple in population numbers than Europe as well, and one, the Inka*, were more numerous, advanced in all areas, and larger at the same time in history, than all of that which was under Khengis Kahn, and Alexander the Great, combined........
Behold.
*Inka: The universal Inka language (Suni Kani) spelling: INKA Spanish spelling and thus English: INCA I will use the Suni spelling in this presentation.
RAMS
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Post by davidlee on Sept 8, 2008 7:26:30 GMT -5
Hey Robert!
This is a little off topic, but what did you think of Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto" with regards to accuracy of the civilizations portrayed?
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Sept 8, 2008 12:47:33 GMT -5
Funny...I was just thinking that one of the things a professor brought up in college was that it was inevitable that Columbus would find a civilization less advanced than that which he left in Europe. The logic is that if the American civilizations were more advanced, they would have landed in Europe first.
There are obvious flaws in that thinking. Thirty years after I was taught that, we've seen plenty of evidence that there had been commerce from the Mesoamericas possibly thousands of years prior to Columbus. They weren't traveling at the time Columbus landed, but then, neither were the Chinese, who were greatly advanced, but had abandoned overseas commerce also long before him.
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Post by Shadout Mapes on Sept 8, 2008 14:30:32 GMT -5
Sounds to me like somebody's been eating too much Inka chow! Europe was in the beginning of the modern era and was light years ahead of these primitives, and they should have wiped them off the face of Earth along with others and never brought the niggers over to ruin the West Indies! Now look at the culture of overpopulation mess! Con ARCO! ><Tomasina ChicaWolverina!
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Post by rams on Sept 9, 2008 19:05:30 GMT -5
Hey Robert! This is a little off topic, but what did you think of Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto" with regards to accuracy of the civilizations portrayed? Accurate to a degree, laughable in others. But over all, an interesting movie. RAMS
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Post by rams on Sept 9, 2008 19:23:42 GMT -5
Funny...I was just thinking that one of the things a professor brought up in college was that it was inevitable that Columbus would find a civilization less advanced than that which he left in Europe. The logic is that if the American civilizations were more advanced, they would have landed in Europe first. There are obvious flaws in that thinking. Thirty years after I was taught that, we've seen plenty of evidence that there had been commerce from the Mesoamericas possibly thousands of years prior to Columbus. They weren't traveling at the time Columbus landed, but then, neither were the Chinese, who were greatly advanced, but had abandoned overseas commerce also long before him. You've touched a great chord that was to be looked at later herein, but since you have mentioned it as you have, here it is in a overview; 3500 years ago, preceding all 'modern' Mesoamerican civilizations was "The Triple Alliance", which was the percursors to the Mexticas, which in turn later ended up to be the Mexican peoples, which are different than all other Latin peoples. These peoples and culture were later named the 'Aztecs', which means 'The Grand Rulers'. So advanced and so expansive were their empire that they paled all others prior and since. They loved grandeur and built the largest structures on earth, equal only to the pyramids of Egypt. They encompassed all of what is the northern and southern hemisphere and were global navigators as well. Parts of their cultural artifacts are found in ancient Europe as well as ancient China. The remnants of their culture and main city lies 6 km north of present day Mexico City. So illusive is their known background that modern archeology and anthropology does not even know or understand what language they spoke. Yet, their DNA and WLA DNA is found in 46% of modern human life on the planet. It is now one of the great mysteries of peoples yet. It is wild to fathom but when one looks to see what is out there compared to early Europe, it is staggering to note that these cultures had such largesse they could then indulge in such visual splendor as the edifices they built on scales even unimaginable in modern times. They not only understood the key to any group of people to become a civilization; which is the recognition of "0" and/or "value", but they grew these civilizations to heights not seen in the modern epic till the 20th century, by comparison. Once 0 and value are recognized, it quickly develops from there into a civilization that is limited only by self management and imagination. RAMS
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Sept 11, 2008 15:50:49 GMT -5
Hey Robert! This is a little off topic, but what did you think of Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto" with regards to accuracy of the civilizations portrayed? Accurate to a degree, laughable in others. But over all, an interesting movie. RAMS I just watched the DVD of "Apocalypto." I've had it sitting around for months, and had put of watching it just because I get very tired and often nod out when trying to view a foreign-language film and reading subtitles. So, I can only do it in the middle of the day when I'm wide awake. I really did enjoy it, but so little has been done in film about the Mayan culture, I certainly would have preferred Mel Gibson have done something more expansive if he wanted to go to all the trouble and expense. Yes, I know there was violence and human sacrifice, but there was so much more material that could have been covered. Don't you agree? The film was a failure at the box office, although it's done well in DVD sales & rentals. It would have been better if the culture had been better-explored, I suspect. As for laughable, I seriously doubt that Jaguar Paw, run through by a spear, could have run through the jungle eluding his pursuers. Even if no vitals had been pierced, he would have been greatly weakened and succumbed to infection without modern medical help.
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Post by rams on Sept 13, 2008 1:10:29 GMT -5
Agree. And too, since tomatos, squash, onions, cheese, peppers, and so much, spread throught the world, all from Mexico and what was Mayan, that would have been good material as well as astronomy, science, math, and vertical structured economy on a drastic scale, could have been blended in to the movie somehow with aplomb.....
RAMS
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Post by Shadout Mapes on Sept 13, 2008 20:56:45 GMT -5
Roberto, you got to tell us some morning when you're straight how you met Phaedra, and how she let you in, and how she gave you light, and how she gave you life... I always think of you when I hear that song! LOL But really, you got to tell of the "strange medicine" they have. ><Tomasina ChicaWolverina!
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Post by tilos on Jan 11, 2009 18:57:52 GMT -5
It is my opinion, based on two trips to Chichen Itza and talking to the ancestors of the Mayans (that spoke English), that it has been well accepted that what RAMS stated is correct. The Mayans had accurate recorded obserbations of Venus spanning at least 400 years. The information was likely passed down from the Olmecs and possibly seafaring races such as the Phoenicians.
The central pyramid has an older pyramid encased in what we she today. This is a recurring practice in the entire region. Generally the interior pyramid is a "pryamid of the moon" and the larger encasing pyramind is the "pyramid of the sun."
Even in Egypt, the Mycernius pryamid was orginally smaller (the planet Mercury imo). This practice is not just a matter of convenience and it symbolic (in my opinion).
I believe a possible use for the pyramids was a mooring station for lighter than air ships and also a refueling station (the Great Pyramid at Giza is very well suited for the production of hydrogen (Chris Dunn had a more complex theory but it did involve hydrogen production).
The Nazca race likley had crude hot air balloons.... this is not a technology that our ancestors could not have possessed. The rulers and priest class were notorious for baffling the common person with BS (because they had no one to hold them accountable).
I used a technique similar to remote viewing on the central Chichen Itza pyramid and the result was very clear. "And the roof flew" was all I ever thought during the process.
So... these giant monuments likely had a purpose that justified the resources devoted to constructing them. They were easy to find by eyesight or crude telescope landing points for the ruling class airships.
No aliens, nothing that extrodinary. just a basic technology used to control large territories.
If hydrogen was being used then flaming arrows would have been a very effective equalizers for the local, oppressed lower class .... I'm sure there was very high security at the landing stations.
Might be wrong but this is a very sound explanation for the structures built all over the world in the past.
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Post by sonofwolfe on Jan 11, 2009 19:12:54 GMT -5
Pyramids=Gothic Cathedrals=power =fear=control-at least for the Mayan culture in its peak which exceeds the Roman Empire during its peak.
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Post by tilos on Jan 11, 2009 19:35:11 GMT -5
Hydrogen production... My high school education included a very simple method to produce hydrogen from mining tailings. I should have been expelled for my demostration of the sonic effect of denotating 3 litres of hydrogen and I was completely cured after smuggling out a pocket full of tailings to create an ill advised fuel air explosive in my back yard. My ears rang for three days and I never built another bomb.
All it takes is the tailings and tap water. There is a metallic gas emitted as a byproduct but compared to the shockwave it is hardly noticeable.
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Post by tilos on Jan 15, 2009 22:51:54 GMT -5
Robert, have you ever seen any evidence in South America of lighter than air craft or the ability to produce hydgrogen gas from mixing a metallic substance and water? I haven't and realize that there would have to something tangible to even give such a wild theory and credibilty. Makes a good yarn though.
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