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Post by tilos on Feb 27, 2009 18:16:05 GMT -5
The star's Arabic name, something of a mystery, refers to one that "precedes"...The star is a close and rather unusual double ... www.astro.uiuc.edu/~jkaler/sow/sabik.htmlThis is a candidate for the beginning of the Universe as we know it. If you can get past what you have been told and start to look at things with no preconceived ideas ... then you might decide, like I have, that we are being fed a load of crap in the area of astronomy and creation theory. I do believe in a type of "Big Bang" but actually can explain what caused it and how it was able to create something from "nothing." This ties in closely with the fusion thread and may be a better way to get some people to understand what I am trying to explain.
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Post by shewolfe on Feb 27, 2009 18:48:33 GMT -5
Something from nothing...
I doubt there was ever "nothing"...I think matter has always been, but we mere mortals find it difficult to wrap our brains around the concept of infinity...
Forever, forwards in time, and forever, backwards in time. There is no beginning, and no end.
Big bangs likely happen and have happened, and chunks of rock and gasses and debris crash together in a huge explosion, and the gravity pulls all the planetary bodies together/apart and sucks them into the solar system. I don't have any training in this area, but have thought about it a lot at times.
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Post by tilos on Feb 27, 2009 19:00:04 GMT -5
I would have to disagree with you. The great thing is we are both here to discuss something like this, proof positive that there is "something" here ... now just understanding how "something" is even possible.
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Post by shewolfe on Feb 27, 2009 19:54:47 GMT -5
Something just "is". There is no reason for it. I know what you are saying...how did it all begin? Well, it never began. Our solar system had a beginning, but matter in and of itself has always existed, and always will. How can you disagree with this, and on what basis?
This is something I am very interested in, so thanks for bringing it up...
As I said before, "something" always exists...it just "is". We can't accept that, because with our reasoning minds, we have to believe in some intelligent design, that can be the only logical explanation for how things came to be. But, I say that it always was.
There was a "before" the dawn of mankind, there was a before, the earth. There was a before the solar system. Are you saying that the beginning of the solar system, was also the beginning of all matter?
I say, matter always existed.
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Post by shewolfe on Feb 27, 2009 19:56:00 GMT -5
There was no beginning, and there will be no end. Even if the solar system explodes...the explosion would be huge, and from that matter and particles and gasses and debris, with all the right things in the right place at the right time, other brand new solar systems will "develop", or form.
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Post by shewolfe on Feb 27, 2009 20:03:33 GMT -5
By the way, there is no "wall" at the end of space/time. Space/time goes on forever, it doesn't end. That's what we can't easily wrap our minds around. There is no end, no wall, no eggshell. Infinity, is infinity.
It is comforting to know how many lifeforms are likely to be out there....in infinity, the lifeforms and planets that support life are everywhere....but far apart, at least here in our own solar system. But beyond, there are endless planets teaming with life out there.
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Post by tilos on Feb 27, 2009 20:06:26 GMT -5
I'll use basic logic. How has "matter" always existed? Where did it come from?
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Post by shewolfe on Feb 27, 2009 20:17:45 GMT -5
No I am not a Creationist; however, I do believe "matter" has not always existed. Self-organization not Creation by "God." Mathematics and logic can explain how it is at least possible. Proving it will be difficult but not impossible. I'll use basic logic. How has "matter" always existed? Where did it come from? It (matter) didn't "come from" anywhere...it just always has existed, and will always exist. Non? Are you a creationist...
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Post by tilos on Feb 28, 2009 21:11:00 GMT -5
If the Sun revolved around Pluto and you were at the North Pole of Pluto staring at Sabik the Sun would appear to pass through Sabik (approximately)
Illusion ... people have been fooled by illusion throughout history.
There have always been a few that can see through the bullshit and most of the rest of us are either too busy trying to survive or to fat and happy to give a shit.
I will send you some video clips made from Starry Night Professional that will show exactly what I am talking about.
This gets into basic common sense. Anyone can understand this if they take the time to give it some thought. My interpretation might be incorrect; however, what I will show you demands an explanation from "Science."
I do not believe in teaching deliberate "lies" to our children. It waste a lot of time for them that could be better spent on something more productive.
Sabik and Pluto are good teaching tools imo. I can show you things with Starry Night that you will have to be able to explain to yourself.
My motto has always been "Logic is Relentless"... and I believe in this motto. I do not need to be right but you better be able to explain what I can show you using accepted data and models of our observable Universe.
I test my own ideas and often find that I have missed something rather obvious. I value having someone else look at what I cannot shoot a hole in to see if I am just being an idiot.
Most people do not take my approach of just spinning the wheel every which way it can be spun and seeing what you get.
This technigue is actually used for vibration analysis in things like helicopters. The general concept is known as "being thorough".
"Never leave out a way" The Maya
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