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Post by sonofwolfe on Nov 13, 2008 16:49:49 GMT -5
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Nov 13, 2008 18:56:48 GMT -5
I think a better slogan would be "Nationalize the Fed." The Fed should be Federal. It's unconstitutional to have our nation's money supply in private hands and we certainly shouldn't be paying interest for it. I do support the idea of a banker's bank, but we should own it collectively. Otherwise, we'd go back to the 1800's, when banks were issuing their own notes and currency and there would be no standard value.
We can't go back to the gold standard, because there is no gold. But we have to own our own currency or it will become worthless.
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Post by sonofwolfe on Nov 13, 2008 19:51:44 GMT -5
Now that the banks are running the government, that makes no sense. Or are you still pretending that we are living in a representative nation? The "TRILATERALS" will be meeting this month to discuss an international currency, and it won't be the dollar.
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Nov 13, 2008 20:34:33 GMT -5
I understand. That's why we need to own our own currency and put the privatizers out of business. I'm not claiming anyone has the courage to do it, yet it could be done with simple legislation. I do not propose compensating those who would have investments in the Fed.
Funny thing is, it's a position Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich advocated jointly.
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Post by shewolfe on Nov 14, 2008 1:44:05 GMT -5
I admire Kucinish greatly. He really tried to get Bush impeached. Of course, he is untouchable for his crimes.
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Nov 14, 2008 12:19:22 GMT -5
I admire Kucinish greatly. He really tried to get Bush impeached. Of course, he is untouchable for his crimes. He's not untouchable. An aggressive AG appointed by Obama can investigate and prosecute all of Bush's cronies, and if criminal activity points to Bush, he can face charges as well. Just because he wasn't impeached doesn't mean he won't face criminal charges. It only takes someone with a little courage. Also, Bush can be charged criminally in many state and local jurisdictions, and even a presidential pardon couldn't protect him from that. The only question now is whether Bush will issue blanket pardons to everyone who worked for him, or even pardon himself on his last day in office. It's legal and constitutional for him to do that, even to the point of pardoning someone who has not even been charged with anything, "just in case." There is a question as to whether he can legally pardon himself, but there's nothing in the Constitution that would bar it. It's never been tried, though. Even Nixon did not pardon himself.
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Post by sonofwolfe on Nov 14, 2008 13:27:55 GMT -5
Only a grassroots outpouring of outrage by the people will suffice at this point of time. Movements like Ron Paul, and end the fed are opportunities. Expect nothing from Obama. He is the transition, the good cop who is going to bring us all "pie in the sky" He will posture and then claim that congress is thwarting his efforts to clean up the system. It has gotten to the point that if WE do not do it, nothing is going to change. And time is running short. Look at where Argentina is now. This IS our future. Fear is the key, and some things are worth dying for. Sound overly melodramatic? Once they have to feed us, the mass drugging will proceed. There are no saviors out there. Obama is an illusion, playing to a desperate public without the courage to risk anything, until they are down on their knees. Too late.
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Post by cdh on Nov 14, 2008 16:19:37 GMT -5
The fact is if he doesn't produce with all on his side he will be reduced to that of another talking head.
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Nov 14, 2008 16:44:13 GMT -5
Obama needs the 60 Senate Seats. Ron Paul was and is an ignorant corporate stooge who would turn everything over to the corporations. He represents the epitome of Milton Freidman economics. Obama represents the values of John Keynes, to whom I subscribe.
Paul is a fiend, although he may not know it himself. But even fiends may occasionally have good ideas. But I have examined his positons on his site and he even promotes and supports child molestation.
The election of Obama was the victory of absolute good over an unspeakable evil.
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Post by sonofwolfe on Nov 14, 2008 16:49:00 GMT -5
They will play the "talking head" routine until America is starving. Then the fun really begins. Reality will always prevail, eventually. The formula has worked everywhere else. We have not seen repression here yet. So far, just a taste. Food riots. Watch the cities. It's getting close.
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Nov 14, 2008 17:39:10 GMT -5
They will play the "talking head" routine until America is starving. Then the fun really begins. Reality will always prevail, eventually. The formula has worked everywhere else. We have not seen repression here yet. So far, just a taste. Food riots. Watch the cities. It's getting close. Sadly, this much is probably true...especially with regard to the food riots. There is a very fine eye of a needle that needs to be threaded, but with a telescopic threader from miles away. If anyone can do it, Obama can, but even his chances are slim. I'll take slim over none any day of the week.
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Post by shewolfe on Nov 14, 2008 17:45:45 GMT -5
TWO WORDS: Faulty Intelligence. That's why Bush walks away clean, cause that's the old gunfighter, Jack. Obama will not go after Bush, because Bush's actions were done with faulty intelligence. Meaning, it wasn't possibly his fault. Obama will also not go after Bush because to set a precedent like that, any president could be blamed for (again) faulty intelligence. That would be like Obama shooting himself in the foot. The worst Obama will do to Bush is reverse executive orders that he implemented during his term. I know this is off topic, Son-of-wolfe. (Sorry
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Nov 14, 2008 18:07:43 GMT -5
You could be right, Naomi, but there is plenty of evidence that Bush intentionally fabricated evidence. Apart and aside from that, Bush has potential criminal involvement in many other areas. It really all depends on who Obama appoints as Attorney General. I was hoping for Bobby Kennedy, but it looks like he's slated for head of the Environmental Protection Agency. Also, there was a woman running for Attorney General of the State of Vermont who, if elected, promised to bring local murder charges against Bush. She failed, but any Attorney General of any state could do it, and no President could protect him against state charges. It's just one of those strange things about the way the US is set up. See: charlottedennettforattorneygeneral.com/Eventually, someone may try it.
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Post by shewolfe on Nov 14, 2008 18:11:58 GMT -5
"You could be right, Naomi, but there is plenty of evidence that Bush intentionally fabricated evidence. "
I would like to see this evidence. What evidence is there of that? Where could I find this evidence?
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Post by shewolfe on Nov 14, 2008 18:36:57 GMT -5
Back on topic for me......about buying gold and/or silver incase there is a global collapse, and the dollar is worthless...there are some of us who cannot afford to buy gold and silver, who make ends meet month to month on a low budget. Mostly, if there are food riots, it will be predominantly the poor people rioting first cause they have no means to deal with it.
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Nov 14, 2008 19:32:09 GMT -5
"You could be right, Naomi, but there is plenty of evidence that Bush intentionally fabricated evidence. " I would like to see this evidence. What evidence is there of that? Where could I find this evidence?The first damning piece of evidence against Bush is in the Downing Street Memo: downingstreetmemo.com/But, I've heard of lots more. Beginning a criminal investigation of Bush might lead to a whole lot more. Watergate was a minor thing, but in the investigation of the coverup by Congress and the special prosecutor, many more possible criminal indictments against Nixon came out. Even after he resigned, Leon Jaworski had been planning to file criminal charges against him, but was stopped dead in his tracks when Ford pardoned him. Without that pardon, Nixon was headed to prison, which, admittedly, would have been distasteful. While waiting to see if he was going to prison, Nixon had a flareup of flebitis in his leg and nearly died. It was no doubt his dispondensy that nearly led to his death and made Ford decide to pardon him. If it comes to something like that, Obama will never pardon Bush, but he might try to pardon himself before leaving office. He's very vulnerable right now. However, even a pardon would only protect him against Federal Charges, but would do nothing to help him if any individual state went after him.
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Post by sonofwolfe on Nov 15, 2008 9:59:51 GMT -5
Bush is very vulnerable? We shall see.
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Nov 15, 2008 14:12:34 GMT -5
Bush is very vulnerable? We shall see. It might be politically unacceptable to go after him personally, but unless he pardons his cohorts, it won't be true of them. As I was watching the returns, I'd switch back and forth between the channels. MSNBC has become my favorite, but I was very interested in the reactions from Faux News. Karl Rove was a commentator that night, and when it was declared even by Faux that Obama had carried Ohio, it was apparent that McCain, who for some reason would have protected him, could not prevail. Rove looked like he'd been punched in the gut. It was as if he had just been informed by his doctor he had terminal cancer. He knows he may go down, and he may even be starting to put his affairs in order in advance of a few years in prison. But, we shall see. Why imprison Karl Rove? See www.donsiegelman.org/Would Rove fall on his sword, or would he begin to sing to prosecutors so as to avoid prison?
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Post by cdh on Nov 18, 2008 12:19:30 GMT -5
300,000 jobs left the US Friday.... Merry Christmas
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Nov 18, 2008 13:38:35 GMT -5
300,000 jobs left the US Friday.... Merry Christmas Meanwhile, there is a bill before Congress to expand the visa system that allows companies to bring in workers from places like India for high-tech jobs. These jobs would typically pay around $80K, but the foreign workers would work for around $30K. This, with unemployment soaring. I do hope it gets voted down.
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