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Post by Roland of Gilead on Dec 1, 2008 13:45:13 GMT -5
Since I work most of the night, I caught his first show in about 7 months last night. Although there are lots of ill feelings about him at this point, I have to say he sounded better than he has in a long time. I was surprised to hear him say he was a big Obama supporter, since he was pretty right-wing in the old days. He was even disparaging of Faux News.
Also, he's managed to permanently quit smoking, which may be one reason he sounds so much better.
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Post by Shadout Mapes on Dec 1, 2008 20:22:13 GMT -5
Wow Rico! Did he qualify his support of Obama and condemnation of FOX Faux Neuz, just for clarification at all? If he could only try to get along with DJO the same way as he does with Kaku too! ><Tomasina ChicaWolverina!
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Dec 1, 2008 20:41:38 GMT -5
He didn't really elaborate on what he liked about Obama, so it's hard to say, but he did say that Faux news has no right to call themselves "fair and balanced" since they're far too pro-Republican!
Maybe he could get along with DJO now. He sounded like a totally different person. I know he's coming back to do two shows over New Year's, so if you're not out partying, give a listen and see if you don't agree.
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Post by Shadout Mapes on Dec 2, 2008 16:03:29 GMT -5
Rico, Isn't it amazing that anyone with a show like that, which was once so daring in its own right could just up and reject and turn completely away forever from a very popular guest that can give you shows with reversals, and very clear reversals like, "What's locked up in their starships, this needs to be known!". Jebus I mean it, can you imagine the hairs standing up in the night!?! ><Tomasina ChicaWolverina!
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Post by shewolfe on Dec 2, 2008 19:05:35 GMT -5
Well, I don't know how many times I tried to reach Art, to show him how things have changed, to plead with him to consider giving David and his friendship one more chance, since things have changed so much. Things would be different now, matters dealt with in better ways, and if Art would only just email David and ask him to be on again..... But I think that Art is afraid of any backlash from having David on again. Well, it sure would stir the pot and get things moving again. Hopefully in a new and different direction. As time goes on....I find that the chances of that happening are slim and none. He is holding a grudge, won't talk to or about David, won't even answer emails on the subject. Just pure avoidance. Maybe that is how he is dealing with things, but it would be so healing, if after all these years, the most spectacular duo to ever hit the airwaves, David and Art. Wishing doesn't make it so.
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Post by Shadout Mapes on Dec 2, 2008 22:33:20 GMT -5
Well said! But we must see it being real in the future; it can be again even better than before! It was so rich... ~*(G'HuGS!)*~ K... ><Tomasina ChicaWolverina!
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Dec 3, 2008 11:57:07 GMT -5
I don't see David going on with Art any time in the future. Even if there were no ill feelings remaining, I'd think it would be too uncomfortable. But Art is way in the background and only does a few shows a year now. I see no reason why he can't be brought back on with either George or Ian.
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Post by davidlee on Dec 4, 2008 14:38:11 GMT -5
Of course this is just my opinion but I think it's time to move on from the whole Art Bell thing. I mean, even David doesn't respond to these threads anymore. Seems to me he has moved on without you.....IMHO!
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Post by shewolfe on Dec 8, 2008 19:12:47 GMT -5
Correction.....if only a slight one...I have permission to speak freely.
David has moved on admirably, although the major hurt has subsided, he still really wants to be back on C2C. He doesn't talk about it publicly, but there is cognative dissonance...still. The major hurt has passed, but the wounds are still there. David is living with this - every day. He has no choice. All efforts to reach Art, have been in vein.
It's like....we all admitted we made mistakes, and learned from them, but Art seems to feel he is exempt from the realization that he did wrong things too. And he just walks away clean, forgetting the things he did to hurt others too.
For only one small example, he linked David's nude picture off his main page headlines. If that wasn't a low and dirty thing to do, then he is blind as a bat.
That's only one thing he did to David. Yes, we all hurt eachother. The difference is, as I see it, we have all grown and learned from our mistakes. Art doesn't seem to think he did anything wrong. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
We have all moved on to varying degrees, but Art has closed and locked the door.
Hopefully, with his quitting smoking, he will live longer, and have more time to reflect, and admit to himself that he f*cked up, like everyone else, and there still remains amends that need to be made.
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Post by cdh on Dec 8, 2008 19:27:50 GMT -5
Who the hell is Art Bell?
Well in response to the post below I know only to well who Art Bell is. I would never traffic with him. He has to many pathological problems.
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Post by shewolfe on Dec 8, 2008 19:32:52 GMT -5
Are you seriously asking, or is that sarcasm?
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Post by shewolfe on Dec 8, 2008 19:33:47 GMT -5
About David Oates From: wispery@aim.com To: artbell@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 4:28 pm
Hello Art,
I come to you with an open heart, asking you again to reconsider, and have David back on C2C. He has learned a lot, and grown so much, and recognized his mistakes, and really wants to set things right between you. He lives with this every day.
I wanted to implore to you, that you also made horrible mistakes, costly mistakes that hurt David very badly, and those of us who were involved, have moved on and admitted our mistakes and have made amends where needed.
I know you have shut the door, I understand your reasons. But, you did wrong things too. You linked David's nude picture off your main page headlines. You networked behind the scenes in a desparate attempt to silence David, and even to destroy him. I know you didn't mean to cause harm, but your actions did cause untold wounds, wounds that still hurt to this day.
All David wants is to say he is sorry for his mistakes, mistakes we all made, and come to some resolution and healing.
I fear this letter, as with all my past letters, will fall on deaf ears. But if I or David ever meant anything to you at all....know this. He lives with this heartache every day. He has no choice because you have closed and locked the door.
If you do not wish to communicate with him, I understand. But, at least allow him to return to C2C. That would be a huge move in the right direction.
As always,
Naomi
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Post by Shadout Mapes on Dec 8, 2008 22:10:26 GMT -5
You've got a good touch, well said. Hell, he really ought to have you on, and then later reintroduce DJO! Amen. ><Tomasina ChicaWolverina!
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