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Post by davidlee on May 22, 2008 8:41:25 GMT -5
You may not believe me, but would you believe a Democratic Senator? John Glenn (DEMOCRAT) said this on the floor of the Senate recently ----- It should make you think a little: There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January 2008. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq. Many of you claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, ponder this: FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II. Germany never attacked the United States; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...an average of 112,500 per year. Harry S. Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea; North Korea never attacked the United States, by the way. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ... an average of 18,334 per year. John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked the United States. (LBJ) Lyndon Johnson (DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ... an average of 5,800 per year. William Jefferson Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked the United States. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by the Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the years since terrorists attacked the United States, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaeda, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. Yet, your Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking. But Wait, There's more….. It took less time for US troupes to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno (DEMOCRAT) to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation! We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton (DEMOCRAT) to find the Rose Law Firm billing records. It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!! Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high! Toss me some facts to refute the above.
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Post by shewolfe on May 22, 2008 13:36:08 GMT -5
American troops have not taken Iraq....it's a war without end, seemingly, and every day more and more troops are dying over there. The people of Iraq saw they were going to be invaded and the citizens did not want it. Most of the men who attacked America on Sept 11th were Saudis. Not Iraqis, yet Bush and company peddled lies to the American people to justify the war.
We complain because America was attacked, but imagine how the Iraqis feel, and felt when Bush was dropping the Mother Of All Bombs (MOAB) over their heads, pulvarizing their cities.
In the lead up to the war upon Iraq the whole world marched in protest....no one wanted the war. Yet, Bush went in anyways, despite the cries for him not to. Everywhere, all around the world people said no to the war. For whatever reasons, Bush went in anyways, ignoring the voices of his own people and those around the world.
Bush claimed that this was a war on terror...but since his stay in the presidency, he has instilled fear after fear into the hearts and minds of people all over the world. It's not a war on terror, its a war of terror, and even recently he started threatening that we would be faced with world war three if we didn't do what he said needs to be done.
How is that relieving people of fear and terror? Rather, it is instilling terror repeatedly into our minds. Bush scares us, frightens us, terrorizes us just enough to keep us scared but not enought so that we stop what we are doing and question.
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Post by sonofwolfe on May 22, 2008 13:52:27 GMT -5
Gas is going to be 5$ per gallon by august. the bush family is very deeply into oil in this country. Experts are saying that a year from now it could be 10$. Automatic weapons , small tanks, tasers, microwave riot control, house searches with no warrants, road block car searches are all becoming commonplace now. 150 empty Fema camps in this country. Canada has some gulags too, big ones, way up north. This has all been going on under our noses, so while all the ostriches have their heads in the sand, pretending they are safe, but are about to get their asses shot off. You better be stockpiling. Because if you have to scrounge, expect to be tomorrows dinner. We WILL know wal-mart as local food dispensors, and don't think you will be fed without being chipped, and drugged. Analyze your tap water, then do the research.
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Post by Roland of Gilead on May 22, 2008 14:57:18 GMT -5
Umm....David...where did you get this? It looks sort of like one of those e-mail forwards you're supposed to delete on sight.
You have to dismiss this one after reading the first line. It says John Glenn made this statement on the Senate Floor in January, 2008. That would not be possible, since he retired from the Senate in 1998. I recently did see a clip where he endorsed Hillary Clinton in Ohio, so he would not have said anything in support of Bush in any case.
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Post by Roland of Gilead on May 22, 2008 15:58:33 GMT -5
Gas is going to be 5$ per gallon by august. the bush family is very deeply into oil in this country. Experts are saying that a year from now it could be 10$. Automatic weapons , small tanks, tasers, microwave riot control, house searches with no warrants, road block car searches are all becoming commonplace now. 150 empty Fema camps in this country. Canada has some gulags too, big ones, way up north. This has all been going on under our noses, so while all the ostriches have their heads in the sand, pretending they are safe, but are about to get their asses shot off. You better be stockpiling. Because if you have to scrounge, expect to be tomorrows dinner. We WILL know wal-mart as local food dispensors, and don't think you will be fed without being chipped, and drugged. Analyze your tap water, then do the research. I've long been against DUI roadblocks. They may save lives, but they are a 4th Amendment violation that the Supreme Court ruled consititutional something like 20 years ago. I am really sick of them finding these exceptions for "the greater public good." $5 per gallon gas? As of just a few days ago, analysts are predicting $12 per gallon, which is what they're paying in England right now. At least a temporary solution to the problem would be to ban Commodities Futures trading on oil, although such a ban would be against Libertarian principles. We don't need libertarian deregulation. We need re-regulation, even if we are accused of socialism. Sadly, those 150 FEMA camps, which are really disaster relief shelters, have been allowed to seriously delapidate under Bush privatizaton and cronyism. FEMA is the good guy, and needs to be upgraded.
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Post by shewolfe on May 22, 2008 17:32:16 GMT -5
FEMA is the good guy? What about New Orleans and hurricane Katrina, it took them FIVE days to even begin to help those people. Then, they forced them out of their homes and forced them into the FEMA camps against their will. They were not allowed to return home.
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Post by Shadout Mapes on May 22, 2008 17:37:37 GMT -5
Get over it Dabid Wee! Get over it! Heh. >< Tomasina ChicaWolverina!
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Post by shewolfe on May 22, 2008 17:38:29 GMT -5
I should add, that those Americans were forced into the FEMA camps by gunpoint. I mean...how "progressive" is that?
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Post by Shadout Mapes on May 22, 2008 17:42:36 GMT -5
Dabid Wee loves Yellow Journalisms! He got's centipedes in his boygina! >< Tomasina ChicaWolverina!
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Post by shewolfe on May 22, 2008 17:57:37 GMT -5
Prisoners of Katrina (2006)"In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, while thousands fled New Orleans, the city's prisoners were trapped. Fresh eye-witness accounts reveal what really happened to those left behind, and how crucial forensic evidence was simply washed away."www.moviesfoundonline.com/prisoners_of_katrina.php Big Easy to Big Empty The Untold Story of the Drowning of New Orleans
It's been two years already. If they had lived in Bangladesh during the tsunami, they'd be back home. But in New Orleans USA, more than half the original residents have not, CAN NOT, return to "The City That Care Forgot." Now, in Big Easy to Big Empty, our investigative documentary re-released this week, meet the people that EVERYONE forgot. stephensmith cap- Stephen Smith who had no car, and no way to evacuate New Orleans. He tells us his devastating story of being left behind, closing the eyes of an old man who died while waiting to be rescued on a bridge, watching helicopters soar pass overhead, and no one coming to rescue him or the dozens stranded with him, on that bridge, for days. After the storm it took him 3 months to find his children. He is currently working in a grocery store in Houston and wants to come back to New Orleans but has no place to live.
- Ivor Van Heerden, Deputy Director of Louisiana State University's Hurricane Center reveals who knew what and when -- before, during, and after the storm -- and warns that his job is in danger for telling us his story.
"FEMA knew at eleven o'clock on Monday that the levees had breached, at 2 o'clock they flew over the 17th St. Canal and took video of the breaches, by midnight on Monday the White House knew, but none of us knew."
brodbagert cap- Brod Bagert, Former New Orleans' City Councilman and lawyer takes us to a neighbor's house where 5 bodies were found after the storm -- in the back yard we find the levees that were supposed to protect the city from flooding; the levees that were supposed to protect the people who died here.
"Old ladies watched as water came up to their nose, over their eyes, and they drowned in houses just like this, in this neighborhood because of reckless negligence that is unanswered for."
pamelalewis cap 1- Pamela Lewis, who had guns shoved in her face when she tried to evacuate with her 86 year old mother, has now been relocated over 100 miles from the city to one of FEMA's giant trailer parks fenced in with barbed-wire and has lived there for 9 months. The trailer park is in a field literally in the middle of nowhere behind an Exxon Oil Refinery -- the only bus available for residents goes only to Wal-Mart.
"It is a prison set-up. I've never been to the bottom of the barrel until I came here."
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- Patricia Thomas who broke her teeth while trying to evacuate is now homeless and is locked out of her public housing unit in the Lafitte housing project near the French Quarter. We go with her as she enters her blockaded apartment (which she now plans to illegally occupy) and find that it was not damaged by the flooding and could be re-opened within a week's time.
"Katrina didn't do this. Man did this. This was man made."
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- Malik Rahim, Director of Common Ground who is building communities aimed at bringing people back to New Orleans with affordable housing, collectives, and job-placement assistance.
"If we could do it - we could take a thousand people and house them in a humane way, why can't the federal government do it?"
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- Henry Irving Sr., home-owner in the Lower 9th Ward. His entire neighborhood has been completely destroyed, hardly anyone has returned, and those that have returned have been told not to -- and yet Mr. Irving plans to stay.
"That's what they want us to do. They want us to get discouraged and to leave. I'm going to stay here long enough to see it come back."
Big Easy to Big Empty: The Untold Story of the Drowning of New Orleans.www.gregpalast.com/big-easy-to-big-empty-the-untold-story-of-the-drowning-of-new-orleans/
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Post by Roland of Gilead on May 23, 2008 4:53:49 GMT -5
FEMA is the good guy? What about New Orleans and hurricane Katrina, it took them FIVE days to even begin to help those people. Then, they forced them out of their homes and forced them into the FEMA camps against their will. They were not allowed to return home. Well, I meant to say they USED to be the good guy until Bush ruined them by putting unqualified cronies like Brownie in charge. The head of FEMA was a cabinet-level position until Bush ruined it and put it under Homeland Security. Then he put the former head of the Arabian Horse Association in charge of it because he was a big campaign contributor. They can be good again.
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Post by davidlee on May 23, 2008 11:54:24 GMT -5
Easy now! That even got SOW back!! Hehe
1. The John Glenn Senate thing was my two cents and I'm sure I got the date wrong but nevertheless.....
2. You all managed to dance delicately around the real point of this post and that is the fact that every modern war, conflict and or police action (up until Iraq 1 and 2) were brought about by Democrats!!! Hey, I'm just trying to get you guys to admit that both sides of the aisle are the same and then we can go from there....
3. Since 2001 there has been no terror on American soil (other than Internet conspiracy theories). Were any of you in Louisiana when Katrina hit? Do any of you even know someone who was? Are you getting your information from anything other than the media and conspiracy sites and blogs?
4. Rick I would assume that you are the only person on this board who has actually been through a hurricane? You know the kind of damage that occurs. The big three that hit us a few years ago devastated most of the state. I don't remember any great fallout against the federal government at all! Oh, and I won't even mention Andrew or the fact that Mississippi had as much damage if not more than Louisiana from Katrina.
You know what they say....build a foundation on sand....or in this case, what, 50 feet below sea level? The bottom line is that the inevitability of a natural disaster in a place like New Orleans should have been planned for decades before the actual event happened...on all levels....but nothing.
Finally, Phil regarding gasoline. There is only one thing that is going to shut these people down and that is for the American people to give up driving. become a one car family. don't drive on the weekends, get scooters or light rail for local travel. In other words.....just say no.
I filled up my car today at Costco and it is going to set in my garage all weekend. Can you imagine if every American were to just park their cars for 4 days and stay at home what an impact that would have? But it's never gonna happen because we would rather whine about the big bad government.....
Oh and at $ 10/gallon? I guarantee you the boneheads will still be lining up at the pumps.
Hey Chica! Trust me I am totally over it! Been that way a long time. Maybe its because I've been around politics all my life. I just wish I could get you to see that your Obama is not going to be any different. Everything is cyclical....every eight years the see saw moves...up or down...again and again....
In the nineties the mantra was "Are you better off than you were four years ago?"
In this decade it is all about "change". But I'll make you guys a little side bet...if one of the Democrats gets elected, if you get control of both the house and the senate and things don't go as well as the American public were led to believe...whom do you think will get the blame?
Oh and BTW, have a safe memorial weekend and should you happen to run into one of the members of our armed forces thank them for their service whether you hate george Bush or not!
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Post by Roland of Gilead on May 23, 2008 13:10:07 GMT -5
Well, I do think that a high percentage of folks are going to stay home this Memorial Day Weekend, and that might have a marginal impact.
There are many factors beyond our control with regard to high oil prices, but there are some things that I think can be done without us having to curtail our lifestyles. It doesn't seem like bio-fuel will do much, but if it's going anywhere, we are ruining prospects by making it from the least productive source, which is corn. Cellulose bio-fuel may hold much greater promise, with the best source being Hemp, with Switchgrass being a close second, and with far less political ramifications.
Next, we need to fundamentally change the way oil is traded, but I think that can only be done on the international level. That is, we have to ban fuel trading on the commodities futures market. I'm told this actually adds 40% to the price of oil.
Then, we need a crash program to require all cars be hybridized. Plug-in hybrids would be best, since a plug-in Prius never needs gas until you take it out of town. Sure, you're still buring energy at a different source, but the Tesla Motor company claims that with their all-electric car, the energy usage equates to 175 mpg. Plug-ins can't work for everyone, since an apartment dweller will rarely have a source for the plug-in.
We also need a crash program for solar and wind power for our power plants.
We probably would not be in such fierce competiton for purchasing oil with China and India had we not outsourced so many jobs, raising the living standards of those countries while degrading ours.
I agree...Mississippi was hit far worse, as well as coastal Louisianna. There are still some small communities such as Bay St Louis and Slidell which are without basic services, but which get little or no news coverage.
FEMA did a pretty decent job in Ft Lauderdale after Wilma hit, a month after Katrina. There were problems, but they knew they were under the gun. Brownie was already gone. But the hardships we faced were nothing compared to what happened with Katrina.
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Post by Chernobyl on May 26, 2008 2:59:50 GMT -5
...It doesn't seem like bio-fuel will do much, but if it's going anywhere, we are ruining prospects by making it from the least productive source, which is corn. Cellulose bio-fuel may hold much greater promise, with the best source being Hemp, with Switchgrass being a close second, and with far less political ramifications. Next, we need to fundamentally change the way oil is traded, but I think that can only be done on the international level. That is, we have to ban fuel trading on the commodities futures market. I'm told this actually adds 40% to the price of oil. Then, we need a crash program to require all cars be hybridized. Plug-in hybrids would be best, since a plug-in Prius never needs gas until you take it out of town. Sure, you're still buring energy at a different source, but the Tesla Motor company claims that with their all-electric car, the energy usage equates to 175 mpg. Plug-ins can't work for everyone, since an apartment dweller will rarely have a source for the plug-in... You said more than a mouthful there. That's about four thread-starters in a couple of paragraphs! We shouldn't be using corn or any other food products for bio-fuel. One phrase comes to mind when I think of that folly -- Fools for Fuel! How many people on this planet are unfed and whose gas tank gets filled instead??? What if we have a year or two or three of famine? Are the silos full, or better yet -- can they get or stay that way? I am embarrassed to say, if we had a genuine leader at the helm he would have long ago realized the consequence of allowing commodities brokers to run willy nilly nuts with the oil market. Our financial house of cards may have been ready to start tumbling down for any one of a hundred reasons, but historians wil note ... pushing the cost of fuel up beyond reasonable was the finger flicking at the foundation. Fuel is part of the lifeblood of our nation, and the cost and availability of that fuel has been deemed a matter of national security and utmost importance to other Presidents. Where is the corrective action and legislation being promoted by *The Decider*? Roland, I know you've been around awhile. Surely you remember the ol' hitchin' posts from back in your wild west days? Well, up in the Great White North (No, I'm not being racist!), a lot of towns have readily available electrical outlets that townfolk can plug into during the depth of the winter months. Hmmm, just a little adjustment here or there and those radiator heaters could double-up as battery chargers. Or, plant solar charged outlets all around town and ... whaddya know? Drop a quarter or two and you could fully charged in just a few minutes time! : ) Seriously, the availability of electical outlets or *recharge centers* might be a lot easier to resolve than we think it might be now. Hmmm, park the car downtown in a lot a few blocks away from the office and it's charged while you're busy working. I could see that happening. What shopping mall isn't going to rush to provide the convenience of charge facilities for their customers? Restaurants, stores ... the transition may not be as difficult as some of us think it might be...
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Post by Roland of Gilead on May 26, 2008 5:11:02 GMT -5
Hitchin' Post? I briefly owned a bar in 1984 with a real hitchin post where people actually tied their horses up!
One interesting proposal I heard of a few days ago, suggested that cars have interchangeable batteries you could charge at home or exchange in seconds at service stations. You're on the road, you pull in, and the service attendant pulls your batter out and exchanges it for a freshly charged one and you're on your way.
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Post by Shadout Mapes on May 26, 2008 9:37:22 GMT -5
I loved electric BMW of Will Smith's in the movie I Robot; maybe they'll robotize the battery exchange in the next-gen or there soon thereafter? God, just imagine going three or even four times faster and having replaced all gas with something renewable and clean! >< Tomasina ChicaWolverina!
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Post by shewolfe on May 26, 2008 16:39:16 GMT -5
The oil companies probably don't want that to happen. :/
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Post by Roland of Gilead on May 29, 2008 15:15:38 GMT -5
The oil companies probably don't want that to happen. :/ We're at peak oil now, so there's not much choice they can have in the matter. At some point, they'll jump in on the trade, and they'll be managing the battery exchange.
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