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Post by Roland of Gilead on Feb 3, 2009 15:38:30 GMT -5
For quite some time, Alex Jones has been railing about "detention camps" to be set up on closed military bases, and lately his issue has been with HR 645 as introduced by Alcee Hastings, a pretty decent Congressman from Florida. So, I took the time to look up the actual text of the bill, and here you can see it for yourself. Obviously it is intended as setting up temporary shelters in the event of natural or environmental disasters so that the Katrina debacle is never repeated. Read the text yourself, and tell me if you don't agree that Jones should get a life! Oh...I guess the charlatan DOES have a life, and a very profitable one! www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645
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Post by sonofwolfe on Feb 3, 2009 16:59:52 GMT -5
(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.
Then why does the barbed wire face in ward at all of the establishments.
and why are so many of them in isolated areas when one of the conditions are in high risk areas and or heavily populated areas. Will you get on that bus Rick? Will you get in that boxcar? Arbeit macht frei. Interesting that the color code for the non-threat sheeple is yellow, according to Alex Jones.
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Post by Shadout Mapes on Feb 4, 2009 0:06:56 GMT -5
So many THINGS! It all needs to be Remote-Viewed! Remotely though... ><Tomasina Chicawolverina!
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Feb 4, 2009 3:59:18 GMT -5
It's intended to prevent a repeat of New Orleans, where you had people hearded into the Superdome and the Convention Center where apparently cannibalism occurred.
Jerome Corsi, author of the hit piece "Obama Nation" is now echoing Jones.
Jones looks for signs of Revelation in everything, even though the events described in Revelation occurred 1900 years ago.
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Post by sonofwolfe on Feb 4, 2009 11:35:40 GMT -5
and so do the christians Rick look for signs of revelations. and by the way, I listen to Jones every day and he gets calls from born agains who promote the rapture and revelations and he categorically does NOT humor them. He is polite, but he absolutely does NOT buy into that genre, so do not go there. Alex Jones is now focusing on the imminent collapse of the world economy and the loss of our freedom. News in this country about what is going on in Europe right now is being suppressed . The economic riots are spreading, it isn't just Greece and Iceland, now the Balkans, France, Germany, Spain, Ireland.
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Feb 4, 2009 16:06:49 GMT -5
Imminent collapse of our economy is certainly in the cards and I don't know if anyone can prevent it, no matter what their motivations are. I guess all you and I can really hope for is to buy enough time to get us safely off the planet.
If it ever got so bad that there were food riots, there'd have to be some reactive measures taken by the government. But there wll be no mass detention camps. Cattle cars most certainly do exist, but they are for cattle.
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Post by cdh on Feb 4, 2009 16:51:32 GMT -5
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Post by sonofwolfe on Feb 4, 2009 16:53:28 GMT -5
At least they can eat cattle. We will just be disposed of. Like the Jews were. Don't get on that bus. It's a one way ride brother.
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Post by sonofwolfe on Feb 4, 2009 16:59:25 GMT -5
It might as well be ron paul wearing the tin foil hat, willie nelson, jesse ventura etc. He isnt alone cdh. and let us not forget Noam Chomsky, who comes with more references. There is no religion higher than truth.
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Post by cdh on Feb 4, 2009 20:09:36 GMT -5
Kinda reminds me of the leader of the Brown Shirts.
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Post by Shadout Mapes on Feb 4, 2009 21:15:18 GMT -5
Well ok, now that's a little over-the-top. But I did think of a friend of mine Diana watching it, she's a real talk-backing redneck gal when she gets mad and unloads both barrels like that on some poor idiot. But it's like he's not really bad and or doing damage like the real Nazi's like Rush & Company et-al. I mean really, I just think it's like I've sort of grown out of Alex Jones et-al. Like Margie used to say about C2C guest back on Howl after noone of their predictions ever came to pass. Ok... shai-hulud... ><Tomasina Chicawolverina!
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Post by sonofwolfe on Feb 4, 2009 21:31:32 GMT -5
the world currency is about to collapse and be re-set just like it was during the 30s depression. only this time the whole world is involved. the purpose global centralization. thats it. end game . you doubt it? sit back and watch. 2009, you think 2008 was fun, watch this ...
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Post by Shadout Mapes on Feb 4, 2009 21:43:42 GMT -5
Does it really make any verisimilitude? ><Tomasina Chicawolverina!
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Post by sonofwolfe on Feb 4, 2009 22:44:23 GMT -5
people are already beginning to die. watch the numbers. the taserings to death. the suicides and murders of families out of despair. the suffering was real during the last depression. suffering is real chica. hunger, starvation, forced servitude. nine states are already putting succession from the union on the table. a precursor to civil war, maybe even a provocation to incite martial law. the stage is set, and there is no way now to go but down. obama is in place just to buy a bit of time. we can blame the bushs' all we want. he will be down in paraguay hiding with the rest of the nazis. my only question is what comes first, the tax revolt or the civil war. fun times Chica, fun times. We shall see who the alarmists are and the realists are before this year is over, I truly fear.
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Post by sonofwolfe on Feb 5, 2009 0:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Feb 5, 2009 5:36:18 GMT -5
There most certainly is a monetary collapse. The mortgage crisis was just a small part of it, although the Republicans want to blame everything on Fannie May and Freddie Mac. It started with union busting, free trade, globalization, all part and parcel of economic libertarianism.
It could be reversed if anyone had the courage. But what it would take would be called a "command economy."
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Post by Shadout Mapes on Feb 5, 2009 11:38:10 GMT -5
Rico, you just called it! Now why can't Jones do that too? Why all the cloak/dagger BS, and the lack of anything that isn't much more obscure than the stuff we can actually clock if one just opens their eyes!?! ><Tomasina Chicawolverina!
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Post by sonofwolfe on Feb 5, 2009 13:01:07 GMT -5
Keep something in mind guys. a year ago, aside from jobs being exported, they were telling us everything was fine with the economy. they lied then, they are lying now. rick, all you have to do is address the gun bans coming through obama. If that does not concern you, it should.
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Feb 5, 2009 14:58:52 GMT -5
I've talked to a few gun dealers and it really makes me wish that right now I was a commissioned salesman in a gun shop. They are intentionally running ads about pending gun bans to whip up sales, and laughing all the way to the bank. They have told me this.
There are some proposals about limits on ammo sales or returning to the Clinton-era assault weapons bans, but there are too many other priorities right now at the moment. And, in light of the Supreme Court reversal of the DC handgun ban, it's doubtful much would stand up to scrutiny.
I have really considered getting a concealed weapons permit and learning to use a gun, but it's for personal, and not political reasons. I do believe in the right to self-defense.
However, I have nothing but contempt for orgs like the NRA and GOA, who have supported Republicans who promise to support gun rights with the trade-off being that all other rights are supressed. Remember, it was the NRA who spearheaded the prison expansion that has made the US history's largest per capita incarceration...all so that they could keep their very narrow rights, and block even the most sensible controls.
So, while I do believe in gun rights, it's so far down my list of priorities that I don't spend much time with it.
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Post by sonofwolfe on Feb 5, 2009 15:03:22 GMT -5
the nra is a guestionable organization and i absolutely do not support them. the goa is another story.
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Post by cdh on Feb 5, 2009 16:00:11 GMT -5
Well I have to chuckle.
There's no one here who hasn't scored good points to ponder.
But this world meltdown is nothing more than unfettered US greed.
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Post by sonofwolfe on Feb 5, 2009 16:58:23 GMT -5
which is precisely why the free enterprise system has been seen to be far superior to the communist system as witnessed by the soviet failures. our system has been built on greed while marxist concepts have been built on utopian concepts of control. and our system worked as long as the checks and balances were intact. The balance was seemingly kept intact as long as the system was intact and the press was at least partially operational. we are talking about accountability here. These checks and balances are now being dismantled. no more real law, which was always somewhat in question. The resetting of the world economy financially is looming on the horizon. it is inevitable. and guys, guess who is going to be left holding the bag? this is NOT rocket science. Your money in the mattress better be gold and silver. I am noticing empty shelves on the supermarket aisles in a major metropolitan suburb, which is good cuz most of it is gmo poison these days. no one cares, ok. works for me. bottom line, there is now no protective buffer between us, the unwashed masses, and the corporate interests that control this world, our government, our standard of living. the few good men, the patriots, the constitutionalists, still in washington have been threatened, trivialized, and pretty much rendered impotent. the dumbed down american population is either too unconscious or afraid to react. wait until they are hungry. americans have a tendency to do the well it aint me routine, sucks to be you. well now its our turn. we knew it was getting dicey with all the jobs moving to china and mexico. the global economy can be blamed, but you and i know it was all greed, lobbying and lack of legislative ethics that created this. the only difference between alex jones and most others is that he says it was all by design. I agree. look to the fed. figure out who owns it, and you have the head of the hydra.
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Post by Roland of Gilead on Feb 5, 2009 18:01:20 GMT -5
Funny...late last night, I was listening to the Ron Reagan show on Air America. And, he was having this discussion with an economist, where both agreed that the person who really got the ball rolling toward the destruction of our system was Ron's father, Ronald. Even though his politics are nothing like his father's, it still has to trouble him that so much of the blame for what's going on now can be placed on dad's policies.
It would be fun to hear him debate his brother Mike.
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Post by shewolfe on Feb 5, 2009 18:08:11 GMT -5
I listened to Alex Jones, and even your link, Phil.....he's a good talker. But, when he starts to yell, and get so angry, he reminds me of hitler. That sort of rage...
Still, Alex is only human, and he can get emotional like anyone, and he knows a lot of stuff that most people don't know. But it seems so theatrical, when he starts going off the deep end.
He see's everything through a glass darkly....but who am I to judge. He is entertaining.
About guns...I guess most of you probably know by now, that I am not a fan of weapons, of any kind. What they represent to me is violence and oppression, much more so than self protection.
Look at the aquisition of weapons on a bigger scale....
If it is everyone's right to have deadly weapons, then shouldn't that same standard apply to the entire world, in that, every country has a right to self defense and protection, so they build nukes, and more nukes, and fights are waged politically and militarily to have certain countries who live differently than us, forbidding them to aquire weapons themselves...
Why, because when there are so many, with so many deadly weapons, the incidents of violence and attacks is greater...
Not exactly sure where I am going with this, but I imagine a world where there is peace, where no weapons existed, or needed to exist.
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